"Rights are Special Privileges the Government gives you." Excuse me?

By: RedKnight

Posted Jan 11, 2011 4:01 PM
My 10 year old nephew sheepishly approached me this afternoon after returning from his school day with what he deemed a "Bad grade". "Hand it over I told him." As I poured through the pages of his schoolwork I saw one 100, a 96, another few hundreds and sure enough at the rear of this very impressive folder of his past weeks work was an 86. Could this be the grade that had him so distraught?. I chuckled and told him that an 86 was quite acceptable and I was very proud of his past weeks accomplishments and keep up the good work. Kids...

My wife took a bit closer look at his folder, in particular the subject matter and asked me to do the same and see if I honed in on any particular assignment. As I skimmed through the pages I came across a paper I helped him with on flower reproduction, something else on turkeys and then there it was "You have Rights" by Phyllis Naegeli. I quickly looked through it and breathed a sigh of relief. Amendment 2 grants the right of the people to bear arms. There is hope for our youth yet I thought to myself.

Hoping to find other pearls of truth I read on. Loose definitions of the amendments but accurate, so far so good. Then I came to the final Paragraph and Blam - there it was - "Rights are special Privileges the government gives you." I had a brief moment of silence and then decided to bring this to your attention. Although it is no surprise as to what untruths are being taught in our schools about our rights and freedoms, it is one thing to know it in the back of your mind, it is entirely another to have it glaring off the page in your face.

I fear that with the level of misinformation our children are being fed in our schools about the founding fathers and the idea that government provides all that we are drawing dangerously close to the abolition of any generation that truly understands freedom and what our founders envisioned for this great country of ours of which we are falling drastically short.

So now what. Do you tell a 10 year old that what he is learning is patently false and have him dispute it in school where some of the worst ridicule comes from the very persons pushing the untruths, or do you just let it go and risk our last hope of informing a generation that could ignite the torch of freedom once more through an accurate depiction of our nations history.

John Adams, "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments: rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the universe."

Frederick Bastiat, "Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."

Justice William J. Brennan, "The Framers of the Bill of Rights did not purport to "create" rights. Rather they designed the Bill of Rights to prohibit our Government from infringing rights and liberties presumed to be preexisting."

Benjamin Franklin, "Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature."

I guess these guys ought to know what was intended with our rights they wrote the thing to begin with. It amuses me when man attempts to interpret the Constitution, Bill of rights in todays terms with absolutely no knowledge of the quotes from the men who wrote them, who made it quite clear exactly what was meant by them, funny how that is never taken into consideration.

A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference. Thomas Jefferson

Could it be any clearer.

So this is my quandary . Do I leave my nephew with the false knowledge of his Government as some great nanny that provides all or do I sit down and share with him what I know to be the truth as made obvious by our founders and keep alight the torch of liberty in the generations to come? Posted Jan 11, 2011 6:11 PM
My fellow Patriots this document I refer to was at least written in 2009 and has been recanted by the author herself. What are those that approve our childrens curriculum doing. Read on:

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More Indoctrination in our Schools: “Being a Good Citizen”

UPDATE: The Ohio Liberty Council has received word from Ms. Naegeli. She has stated she ”made a mistake in these articles by saying the government gives us rights. The government is to protect the rights we are given by God”. She has also stated that she ”never intended for anyone to be offended by this or to spread some incorrect information to children”. Ms. Naegeli will be asking EdHelper to change the wording as follows:
FROM: Rights are special privileges the government gives you. TO: As a citizen you have special privileges called rights. The government protects those rights.
FROM: Because the government gives us rights, we have the duty to be good citizens. TO: Because the government protects our rights, we have the duty to be good citizens.
- Ohio Liberty Council is pleased to have heard back from Ms. Naegeli and will be following up with EdHelper regarding these changes. It is our hope that Ms. Naegeli will look further into Constitutional principles to ensure accuracy when writing her educational materials. We appreciate her communication with us.

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Join me and contact the Hancock County School Board and advise them of this fact and how Our countries rights are being grossly mis-represented in our district.
Posted Jan 11, 2011 6:21 PM
We are discussing this in another forum, and I had to share this with you.

The level of mendacity that permeates government agencies is far reaching and seemingly uncorrectable. The tragic reality is that the Constitution for the United States of America, with its problematic Bill of Rights, is a profound indictment upon humanity, particularly those humans that seek public office.

I claim the Bill of Rights is problematic because, and alarmingly in spite of the Ninth Amendment, they are perceived as granted rights. Rights granted by government. Muzzleflash earlier in this thread asserted that these "educators" must know what they are doing. I wholeheartedly agree with that. I used to think the government was just incompetent, but after years of watching how remarkably competent they are at being incompetent, like Muzzleflash, I have determined that they must know what they are doing. Competent incompetence.

When an "scholar" claims that the rights enumerated within the Bill of Rights are privileges granted by government, that "scholar" is necessarily ignoring the Ninth Amendment:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The language of this Amendment couldn't be more clear, and yet there are those disingenuous petty tyrants who will argue that the language of the Ninth Amendment is "too vague" and engage in circular arguments claiming that it is vague because it does not list what that Amendment precisely makes clear need not be listed.

It is the mendacity of government and their sycophants that endeavors to cloud the issue, by making fallacious arguments that "one persons rights can trump another persons rights", and by, of course, linking rights with privileges.

Privileges are indeed those special favors that are granted by some authority, whether it be government, country clubs, or parents, privileges are not rights, they are allowances made by others who believe they have the authority to allow, and with that authority, the ability to disallow.

What can be granted can be taken away.

It is folly to trust any government agency, including local public schools. The Constitution for the United States of America wasn't written because it trusted government, but quite conversely because government cannot be trusted. Granted, that Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation of Perpetual Union which trusted government even less so than the Constitution, but this does not diminish the fact that the Constitution is in fact an indictment on people. It is not an imposition on We the People, it is an imposition on government officials, and anyone who bothers to read the language of the Bill of Rights understands that those Amendments are not a grant of privilege, but rather acts of prohibition on government.

"Congress shall make no laws..."

"...shall not be infringed."

"No soldier shall..."

"...shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue..."

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime..."

On and on and on the Bill of Rights prohibit government from acting in ways that would disparage or deny people their unalienable rights. Technically the prohibit, but just as the people ignored the 18th Amendment and drank anyway, government ignores the Bill of Rights and disparages the rights of individuals everyday.

We the People have foolishly gone along with credentialism, agreeing that people should be licensed to do what is otherwise an inalienable right to do. Among those who are credentialed, are teachers. In the State of California parents who home school have been fighting years long battles from this credentialism where the State has been insisting that parents must first be credentialed before they can exercise their unalienable right to educate their own children.

We the People have foolishly gone along with too much, and because of this we have reached a point where enough is enough.

I understand that is not always expedient for parents to home school their children, particularly in light of the legal battles many would have to fight in order to exercise that right. However, if one must acquiesce and send their children to public schools, it should be understood that those children are not being sent there to be educated, but they are either being sent there to be indoctrinated, or baby sat. I humbly submit that parents forced to acquiesce to public school systems should choose the latter view rather than helplessly accept the former.

Do not let your children be indoctrinated by the state, teach your children well and inform them that when they attend public schools they are being sent to high priced baby sitters who have annoying opinions that should be taken with a grain of salt, and make sure they understand that they at all times have the right to question and challenge their indoctrinator. If these public school teachers will not allow critical thought within the schools, then let our children expose this atrocity, and let us as parents take matters into our own hands and endeavor to have these high priced opinionated baby sitters removed from the public schools, regardless of what their union rep. has to say about it.
Posted Jan 11, 2011 7:11 PM
As I am doing a little research I see that Ms. Naegeli apparently writes quite a bit for our nations school system. So I wonder, seeing that this woman doesn't seem to see how things work here. How did she get her job, and how does it work, does she just write something and the schools just accept it wholesale because she wrote it.

Maybe the teacher who commented earlier could help me out with this. Who made her an authority to write about these things.

Apparently from what I am learning she gets it wrong quite a bit and why is it that a document that the author herself recanted in 2009 is now showing up in my hands in 2011.

And these people want to control health care?